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Possible grow change

in Beginners Starting out Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:52 am
by Monoxide | 649 Posts | 2595 Points

I started the thread here, but I think maybe we need a "General Grow Questions" Section.

Right now I am on a perpetual grow cycle. Moving 2 plants into flower monthly twice a month. Sometimes they over lap and I end up with 6 plants in my 4x4 tent. In my opinion, I think its too cramped, but i am still fairly new. I was going to try to lollipop the hell out of it and hopefully that would help.

I met a guy on CoD Ghost and he was saying that he is a MJ prof in California. He said that I could just plant 16 clones "once they root" and throw them in a 1 gal pot let them make there transition to the soil for maybe 2-3 days and put them straight into flower. He said I will have more or the same quality colas and less trimming then the way I am setup. Agree or Disagree.

I know that it would cut down time for sure. I wouldn't have to veg really at all. The only problem would be, how would I get my next gen of clones if the plants are going into flower that quickly.


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RE: Possible grow change

in Beginners Starting out Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:02 am
by ozzydiodude • The Weird One | 2.471 Posts | 11533 Points

Sounds like he was talking the Sea of Green method of keeping a mom and taking clones straight to flowering.


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RE: Possible grow change

in Beginners Starting out Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:07 am
by Monoxide | 649 Posts | 2595 Points

Quote: ozzydiodude wrote in post #2
Sounds like he was talking the Sea of Green method of keeping a mom and taking clones straight to flowering.


Do you think that it would be better to grow 16 small plants to 6 big plants?


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RE: Possible grow change

in Beginners Starting out Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:24 am
by ozzydiodude • The Weird One | 2.471 Posts | 11533 Points

I have tried the SOG method and did not feel I got as much off the grows. Yes you get a bunch of top colas that are all close to each other in size but you dont get as much smaller buds


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RE: Possible grow change

in Beginners Starting out Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:52 am
by umbra | 780 Posts | 4085 Points

The big issue here is plant count. The answer is you can get as much using a sea of green method, as any other method. It does require dialing everything in for that particular set up. However, in places that only allow 6 plants, this method is not very productive.


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RE: Possible grow change

in Beginners Starting out Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:23 am
by LEFTHAND | 111 Posts | 418 Points

What are you running for a light ??
Tbh I find 4-6 to be the right amount in a 4x4. Pending on size/style/training done
I've done 8-9 w/1200w and found it cramped n penatration the craps yeild was less then what I pulled off 6
I got a 1k n ATM putting in smaller sexually mature seedlings in hunting fer meds
Then back to 5-6 bigs in a cpl months.

I just started a sog style in my 3x3. Not a true one but got rid of 10 clones.
IMO/Ime you should beable to pull 1-2lb outta the 4x4

I would also think you could run 4-6 dif strains n still get same amount off 1 plant vs 2-3 small ones in a sog style grow.
Be quicker ins n outs leading to more harvests but plant count then becomes the issue.

LH.

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RE: Possible grow change

in Beginners Starting out Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:07 pm
by Grower13 | 513 Posts | 2013 Points

My last flower run had 9 plants(all topped once during veg) 3 different strains(satori, deadhead og, and Pineapple Chunk) in one gallons pots........ my space is a 4x3 space with a 600 watt hps........ I was able to average better than an ounce and a half per plant......... I do lollipop my plants and keep them under 2 ft tall in veg.


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RE: Possible grow change

in Beginners Starting out Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:37 pm
by JackRyan420 | 288 Posts | 1272 Points

Quote: Monoxide wrote in post #1
I started the thread here, but I think maybe we need a "General Grow Questions" Section.

Right now I am on a perpetual grow cycle. Moving 2 plants into flower monthly twice a month. Sometimes they over lap and I end up with 6 plants in my 4x4 tent. In my opinion, I think its too cramped, but i am still fairly new. I was going to try to lollipop the hell out of it and hopefully that would help.

I met a guy on CoD Ghost and he was saying that he is a MJ prof in California. He said that I could just plant 16 clones "once they root" and throw them in a 1 gal pot let them make there transition to the soil for maybe 2-3 days and put them straight into flower. He said I will have more or the same quality colas and less trimming then the way I am setup. Agree or Disagree.

I know that it would cut down time for sure. I wouldn't have to veg really at all. The only problem would be, how would I get my next gen of clones if the plants are going into flower that quickly.


One thing to keep in mind MoNo, and I take this to heart myself, is that MJ laws are written in such a way as to base prison sentences upon the number of plants the defendant was caught growing. That's why I much prefer SCROG over SOG.

I have a 3'8" x 3'8" x 8' grow closet (pretty close to 4' x 4'), and I couldn't imagine having 6 plants in there. 3 plants fill that space pretty well, although I'm not very good at LST. If I was, I could probably get 4 plants in there.

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RE: Possible grow change

in Beginners Starting out Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:38 pm
by Monoxide | 649 Posts | 2595 Points

Quote: LEFTHAND wrote in post #6
What are you running for a light ??
Tbh I find 4-6 to be the right amount in a 4x4. Pending on size/style/training done
I've done 8-9 w/1200w and found it cramped n penatration the craps yeild was less then what I pulled off 6
I got a 1k n ATM putting in smaller sexually mature seedlings in hunting fer meds
Then back to 5-6 bigs in a cpl months.

I just started a sog style in my 3x3. Not a true one but got rid of 10 clones.
IMO/Ime you should beable to pull 1-2lb outta the 4x4

I would also think you could run 4-6 dif strains n still get same amount off 1 plant vs 2-3 small ones in a sog style grow.
Be quicker ins n outs leading to more harvests but plant count then becomes the issue.

LH.



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RE: Possible grow change

in Beginners Starting out Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:52 pm
by Monoxide | 649 Posts | 2595 Points

Quote: JackRyan420 wrote in post #8
Quote: Monoxide wrote in post #1
I started the thread here, but I think maybe we need a "General Grow Questions" Section.

Right now I am on a perpetual grow cycle. Moving 2 plants into flower monthly twice a month. Sometimes they over lap and I end up with 6 plants in my 4x4 tent. In my opinion, I think its too cramped, but i am still fairly new. I was going to try to lollipop the hell out of it and hopefully that would help.

I met a guy on CoD Ghost and he was saying that he is a MJ prof in California. He said that I could just plant 16 clones "once they root" and throw them in a 1 gal pot let them make there transition to the soil for maybe 2-3 days and put them straight into flower. He said I will have more or the same quality colas and less trimming then the way I am setup. Agree or Disagree.

I know that it would cut down time for sure. I wouldn't have to veg really at all. The only problem would be, how would I get my next gen of clones if the plants are going into flower that quickly.


One thing to keep in mind MoNo, and I take this to heart myself, is that MJ laws are written in such a way as to base prison sentences upon the number of plants the defendant was caught growing. That's why I much prefer SCROG over SOG.

I have a 3'8" x 3'8" x 8' grow closet (pretty close to 4' x 4'), and I couldn't imagine having 6 plants in there. 3 plants fill that space pretty well, although I'm not very good at LST. If I was, I could probably get 4 plants in there.


Well, I heard that it doesn't matter if you are caught with 1 plant or 99. Its when you get over 100. So if you have 1 you might as well have 99. Not true?

I think it is cramped in there. Maybe, I should veg less. I am veg'ing for 45 days. The only thing is, is that would put more plants in the tent faster. 4 is perfect in the 4x4 tent.

If you can think of a easier schedule to follow, I'm all ears. I will tell you how mine is at the moment.

I have Kali-47 "K47" 55-60 day flower / Underdawg OG "UOG" 60-65 day flower

k47
day 1 clip clones and put in rapid rooters
day 14 transfer to 1 gal pot "day 1 in soil"
day 44 transfer to 5 gal pot "day 30 in soil"
day 59 transfer to flower " day 45 in soil"
day 119 harvest " day 105 in soil"

UOG
day 14 transfer to 1 gal pot "day 1 in soil"
day 44 transfer to 5 gal pot "day 30 in soil"
day 59 transfer to flower " day 45 in soil"
day 124 harvest " day 110 in soil"

If you were to write that on a calendar, you would see that, that schedule over and over laps over each other and makes me have 6 plants "at some times" in the tent.

Hell I may be better off just veging 6 and tossing all 6 in the tent and wait the 60 days to harvest all, and just have 6 more ready to go back in. Can you feel my confusion level lol.


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RE: Possible grow change

in Beginners Starting out Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:37 pm
by JackRyan420 | 288 Posts | 1272 Points

MoNo,

Here are the MJ cultivation laws for our state (Tennessee), from NORML's web site.

10 plants or less 1 - 6 years $5,000 fine
10 - 19 plants 2 - 12 years $50,000 fine
20 - 99 plants 3 - 15 years $100,000 fine
100 - 499 plants 8 - 30 years $200,000 fine
More than 500 plants 15 - 60 years $500,000 fine

SCROG has some benefits over SOG in this regard.


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RE: Possible grow change

in Beginners Starting out Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:40 pm
by Monoxide | 649 Posts | 2595 Points

well you changed my mind lol thanks bro


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RE: Possible grow change

in Beginners Starting out Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:36 am
by Monoxide | 649 Posts | 2595 Points

So, I changed up my rotation. I'm going with Kali-47, Underdawg OG, and Critical Kush rotation every 35 days 3 plants. This should allow me to harvest 3 plants a month.

2 questions,
1. Is there a way to slow down veg? If I kept one in a 1 gal pot, would it help slow down the growth? or will it do damage?
2. Am I wasting soil by using 5 gallon smart pots and only veging for 35 days? Should I go with 3 gallon?


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RE: Possible grow change

in Beginners Starting out Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:38 am
by umbra | 780 Posts | 4085 Points

Veg is all about root development. I would not put them in 1 gal pots, i would top them. I would keep them in the 5 gal smart pots.


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RE: Possible grow change

in Beginners Starting out Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:06 am
by LEFTHAND | 111 Posts | 418 Points

Topping pinching lst
Those all will alwow you to keep vegging a plant n keep it smaller without conpermising root development.
If you were in coco id say go hard. ;)
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